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Everyone's walking around exchanging gallows humor and watching their inboxes. I just got a meeting invite -- for something else, it turned out -- but I almost jumped out of my chair!

I'll be glad when this f'ing day is over. In this market nobody's hiring. If someone feels so pissed with the salary cut and wishes to move, so be it. Let's do a fair comparison here, of the two "push" factors that would cause you to leave Microsoft. Assume you are a star performer. Honestly, these "layoffs" are really resource actions , those affected are going to be called up when the mill starts up again. MSFT needs a proper balance of people and vision to succeed.

Lay-offs suck, but they become necessary when management doesn't do their job for too long, and worse, when the executives responsible for the vision of their department go too long without accountability and consequences to their failures. This company is too big for everyone to blame Mr.

Ballmer for bad execution and poor vision. He's not Mr. Gates, that's for sure, but I feel that managers are just as responsible for keeping their teams clear on the vision, the purpose, and the benefit of their work. Lay-offs are amputating the leg because no one would deal with the infected toe nail, and without improvement, the company is in real trouble.

I am not for zero population growth via genocide. I just got the meeting request from my manager. Rather than just accept, I suggested an alternate time--next December 23rd.

Let's see if he has a sense of humor. I was picked up by another company, but I know several colleagues who were not and are still looking for a place to land. While it is true that there are opportunities outside of Microsoft, many are lower pay and lower benefits. The market is very competitive, hiring managers in and out of MS are very slow to respond even when they are interested. To those leaving today: 1. Take advantage of the DBM career center.

It provides a good opportunity for networking and support 2. Take time off now. Starting your job search today or tomorrow is not going to increase your odds of being hired. When interviewing, do your best. No matter how hard the question, keep swinging. Always ask for feedback at the end. Gates Umm , if Mr. Ballmer can't be blamed as the CEO for the poor execution of his organization, who can? Since you like to quote old sayings, here's one for you: "If one person tells you that you have a tail you can ignore it; if two people tell you, turn around and take a look.

And it's too late to fix the first two. I can get that. It makes some sense. I don't like layoffs. They ruin lives. But at least this is something that people can agree on. Dump mid to high performers because of their age, use of benefits, or because a manager just doesn't like them?

Those are not the cuts that anyone should be standing behind. While I understand Microsoft's bottom line is important, some of these people are what helps make that bottom line. The least they can do is make the right layoff choices, not layoffs that feel random and spiteful in many cases.

That's the wrong attitude and won't get us anywhere Why isn't the company taking steps!!??? A hell of a lot of good it will do us when things finally turn around in , but we're in debt up to our armpits because no one out there is hiring. Come on. We made a bunch of money when the going was good so that we would be prepared for days like today.

This is about big Shareholders creating pressure for more profits at all costs aka, greed. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm MS wife and sitting here on needles waiting for news from my hubby.

What areas in Redmond have been affected, can someone please tell me? Love and piece. Now the party is over, and management is throwing employees overboard like chaff hoping to take shareholder focus off themselves.

Layoffs aren't great. I'm sorry for those of you losing your jobs as part of this. That area needs to be trimmed and the work eliminated or made to be more efficient.

Just getting the balance sheet in line for one day doesn't fix the core issue. With engineers you'll develop a product, but that doesn't guarantee a successful product. Microsoft needs to focus on the customer experience. That doesn't mean hiring more experience designers than engineers - it means streamlining the decision making process to allow experience issues to have greater weight than they do today.

Just because you have a great feature in a product and people like it, doesn't mean it's the best thing for the overall experience. Customer experience is about looking at the whole and not the parts and not having the development team make all the calls. No, I'm not on an experience team.

That is hard to do properly at any large company, including Microsoft. Much more common is that some good people are laid off accidentally, followed by the strongest people realizing they have good options elsewhere and leaving on their own initiative to escape the turmoil. The end result is that the weakest and most political are all that remain. Hopefully you've learned your lesson and won't make the same mistakes next time. Unfortunately we are in a hard place now. We better have a reasonable plan of "unwinding" that involves something more than seemingly random layoffs.

Market salaries in the industry have fallen and being out of sync with the market is one more reason nobody is going to quit. Let's follow the market down.

I agree that realignment of plans is necessary and this might result in whole teams being cut, and I also see the need to cut underperformers. It is the random layoffs that get my goat. And as long at the whole process seems as secretive as it is I can only feel that the layoffs are indeed random.

Those guys are really weak. Would people who were let go notified already or is it still underway? Mail from KT. People will be notified within next few days. Don't sweat it folks! This is hardly as devasting as when the company picnic got canceled a few weeks ago. What does this mean? From the Seattle Times : Update a. Company officials have declined to say how many layoffs would take place locally.

Sheryl Hutchison, the department's communications director, said she received an e-mail from a Microsoft executive this morning saying there would be no new Working Adjustment and Retraining Notices. State law requires companies with more than employees to notify affected workers 60 days before closures and layoffs. Lots of people were marched to the door within last couple of months without any notice and severance. Most of them were mainly performance pruning. Is it a violation of WARN law? And that's assuming that merit raises are only suspended for one year.

If they suspend them for 2 or more, it just gets even worse. Another MS wife here. Just heard that my husband is among the casualties in Redmond. Well guess what, they do.

As you're starting to learn. I was in the 1,, and if I can't find work by the summer of -- and who knows with the way things look right now and the sheer numbers of people out pounding the pavement -- I'm going to be in trouble.

This is despite selling my house, having a month emergency fund and carrying zero balances for now anyway on my credit cards. Don't be so quick to judge.

Over and over I have seen upper management making terrible decisions for the user, and only putting their tail between their legs when someone like Bill G says he had to revert his daughters computer to XP because vista didn't support her apps. Know what the lead PM did? Responded with excuses as to WHY the apps didn't work. Customers don't want to hear excuses. When your biggest selling point has always been compatibility, and you remove that, you are an idiot.

Should we be more secure? Yes, but not at the expense of compatibility. Security isn't our selling feature. Compatibility is. When will they get it? Also, to those getting let go I would RUN with the severance.

It doesn't look like much is happening in windows, what with Win7 about to wrap up. I would be sad if I was let go, but I would still take the money and run. This place has been dying for a while. But quality didn't go down in the major money makers until they started outsourcing everything. Way to go.. We are a bloated company, but we really need to get people to focus on being worker bees and less managers.

Everyone wants to sit at the top and make decisions, but no one wants to just do the work. We're having marketing trouble because our products don't appeal to people. We just haven't targeted consumers because we believe that enterprises give us the real bucks. In actuality, those enterprise workers don't want to use our products anymore at home and they complain about it at the workplace. Next step: selling Win7!? It's a great product but it will have a crappy advertisement campaign.

I still can't understand the phone thing. We've been making WinMo phones for years, now. There has been no push for advancement in the interface until the iPhone. We staggered to accommodate enterprises, not people. It's time executive management and shareholders step back and start looking at themselves for these huge mistakes and allow the drones to be drones again. These cuts would be warranted if we were the problem, but it seems the hot shots up top don't see themselves as layoff-worthy.

Take one for the team, Steve. Good luck everyone! I hope everyone who is cut gets a better paying job that provides you with more satisfaction than this place. Bottom line, Ballmer has failed. I'm sure KT will land on his feet selling used cars somewhere. Then take their two salaries and repurpose the money, you could probably avoid laying off at least a few dozen people with their bloated incomes.

The way management is going about this is total BS. I'm on the east coast and here's how my day has gone: am - Turn on computer, see email from Ballmer CEO. It's now pm and I haven't received another mail from the next person down on the ladder.

I also haven't received a mail indicating that I'm safe. This is an absolutely ludicrous way to do this - to leave us hanging all day knowing that any one of us can lose our job. I am not proud to have given 8 years of my life to this company at this point in time.

Our leadership should be ashamed of themselves. MS could have offered voluntary redundancy from a limited set of employees, it would at least allow them to feel had some control. And it would leave those who remain in better spirts, knowing MSFT at least wants to try. Please keep those discussion away. Are they eliminating the 60 days' notice this time? I was not rehired, despite multiple applications and interviews there were plenty of good folks i met at BDM in your position.

Dude, if you can't find work in a year and a half either you're stone cold unemployable or life as we know it is going to change dramatically for everyone. That kind of time horizon has nothing to do with Microsoft.

I agree its a problem for marketing to market the crap being built by the product teams having no insight at all on what end customers actually want, responding to painpoints they dont know - but that is a product and customer engagement problem, not a marketing problem. Or is it just a eye wash. As a person who got laid off in the first round and managed to get onsite interviews with 8 different companies with 8th time hitting success.

Here is my advice if you got laid off and are looking outside MSFT: 1. Go to the DBM career center and sign up. They had multiple job fairs and I got the job through one of them. It also gives you a morale boost seeing so many people in similar situation. Stay positive and brush up your skills. If you are a dev or test, a good tech interview site to start with is www. The best job site to apply for jobs is www. Offer available to new subscribers only. Get unprecedented levels of performance and versatility on a inch screen.

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